Italy-based Pioneer Investments, which signed an asset management joint venture agreement with Bank of Baroda (BoB) last year in a major move to extend its presence in India’s mutual fund market, is set to increase its presence in 300 branches of BoB in the next year. Its CEO-Asia, Angus W Stening, puts emphasis on the need for banks to be the main distribution channel after the Securities and Exchange Board of India (Sebi) tweaked norms, in a conversation with Chandan Kishore Kant. Excerpts:What impact would Sebi’s new norms on entry load have on the Indian mutual fund industry?
It will definitely be a catalyst for the change in the distribution dynamics. The independent financial advisors (IFAs) will always play a role for all sorts of products. This industry has been an IFA-driven market from the start. However, have we seen a change in the first two months? No, we have not.
Now the question is, will the financial advisors move away from mutual funds to deposits or life insurance products? Absolutely, they will. But will the investors stop buying mutual funds, as they have to give commissions to the advisors? No, that will not happen.
Now the question is, will the financial advisors move away from mutual funds to deposits or life insurance products? Absolutely, they will. But will the investors stop buying mutual funds, as they have to give commissions to the advisors? No, that will not happen.
Which part of the distribution channel will have to be more active now?
It will be the banks. I think this is one regulatory change which will make banks more active in the distribution side of the business, particularly the public sector banks. How they do that and how they structure has to be seen. The banks now have to be a part of the process.
Why banks? Why not the financial advisors?
The banks are more trusted and regulated institutions. The national reach of the branch network of banks and their customer base is amazing in India.
The public sector banks, in particular, have the reach which a foreign bank may not be able to achieve. Why is there a lower penetration in distribution of mutual fund products? A concern which Reserve Bank of India (RBI) rightly pointed out in its annual report. It is because the banks have not developed the system model to distribute and the processes to manage the distribution of third-party products. And this change in norms will require that.
The public sector banks, in particular, have the reach which a foreign bank may not be able to achieve. Why is there a lower penetration in distribution of mutual fund products? A concern which Reserve Bank of India (RBI) rightly pointed out in its annual report. It is because the banks have not developed the system model to distribute and the processes to manage the distribution of third-party products. And this change in norms will require that.
What’s your plan for expansion in India?
Our target is to have presence in 300 branches in the next 12 months. These will be access points for the investors to buy our products.
Clearly, we want to take that number up as time goes on. Bank of Baroda (BoB) is a good partner and has provided us access to public sector space. We need to create a distribution channel. Since July last year, we focussed on the training of staff in the Baroda branches. At the same time, we are very focused on costs. We don’t want to take a conservative approach but a measured approach.
Clearly, we want to take that number up as time goes on. Bank of Baroda (BoB) is a good partner and has provided us access to public sector space. We need to create a distribution channel. Since July last year, we focussed on the training of staff in the Baroda branches. At the same time, we are very focused on costs. We don’t want to take a conservative approach but a measured approach.
Won’t you look for channels outside Baroda branches?
I don't have a retail chain outside Baroda and I don’t plan one for at least the next 12 months. Our focus is to support Baroda. We both feel we need to invest in our point of sales locations.
What you do in this business is develop a prototype model and replicate it around the nation. When we start to see some traction, then only can we start opening up and broadening our distribution base to non-Baroda for retail.
What you do in this business is develop a prototype model and replicate it around the nation. When we start to see some traction, then only can we start opening up and broadening our distribution base to non-Baroda for retail.
What portion of your asset under management comes from retail and institutions?
Currently, institutional participation is as high as 95 per cent. For the retail space, we need to have a product pipeline.
You are hugely dependent on institutions.
Absolutely, yes. I think initially in the first six months, else could we go across Rs 5,000 crore in equities? No.
Where do you see your retail participation in future?
India has not got a 50-year track record in equity investment. I will be happy to get 25 per cent of the assets from retail and 75 per cent from the institutions.
You don’t sound bullish on growth from smaller cities and towns, which is in contrast with what the local CEOs talk of.All I’m saying is that we are not there now. And, possibly could not be there, as we are very much at the beginning. Managers have to look at this for a long-term business and turn away from short-term opportunistic goals. The structural change from Sebi in terms of front-end load is going to have long-term implications.
Will you invest in the branding of your JV with BoB?
We don’t have to do a joint venture brand. Since we have a strong brand and Bank of Baroda is equally a strong brand, then why the need to invest in a third brand?
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